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Gulf Spill Paymaster Acknowledges Transparency Problems and Outlines Fixes

Kenneth Feinberg said he recognized shortcomings in communicating with claimants and promised to give them more information going forward. 

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Christine

Jan. 8, 2011, 4:13 p.m.

I know you are desperate for information, but changing your name without altering your writing style is obvious to everyone. My advice—just wait the 14 days and be thankful

lost soul

Jan. 8, 2011, 3:48 p.m.

HELLO ... Can someone please comment on their case status for quick claims from BP .... Tell us you have received it or you have been denied it ... what is your outcome .. give all of us something to go on ... what is going on ....

Michael

Jan. 8, 2011, 12:53 p.m.

OK ... update ,I just spoke to GCCF today and was informed that I was suppose to send that letter we got in the mail saying why they could not accept our quick claim form ... I was suppose to include that with my new signed form ... WTF ... Is that going to kick me out again ... come on ... why does it seem only business claims are receiving this letter and not individuals .. looks kinda like they want to pay the 5 grand but the 25 grand they are trying to get out of .. I just dont want to be sweeped under the carpet ... someone please comment and give us some insight on how your quick claim is going .. Thanks

al t

Jan. 8, 2011, 11 a.m.

This story is dated December 14, 2010
Gulf Spill Paymaster Acknowledges Transparency Problems and Outlines Fixes
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“Feinberg said that he would post a description of his methodology for evaluating claims online and in every claims office in the Gulf, and said he would release the methodology within the next 10 days. “We will have full transparency,” he said.”

Nobody can make this man keep his word.  Not the Attorney General of the USA, not US and state senators,not state governors, not state AGs.  The only person who can is Obama and he isnt doing it.

Also for those of you already complaining about the processing time on final claims, you have to face reality.  The GCCF will take a very long time to process them because when they make an offer they want you to be so desperate by then that you will accept any paltry amount.  This is the whole track record of the GCCF.  Its not going to change.  So instead of stressing yourself and your health just face reality of whats going to happen in the next year.  Its not going to be pretty.

Chris

Jan. 7, 2011, 6:43 p.m.

We also filed a business claim on the 17th and it was received on the 18th.  Then on the 29th, we received the same null letter.  So we went down to the local GCCF office and had an adjuster redo everything and the manager of the office approved it and they overnighted it.  It was received in on the 30th.  Now we are just waiting, everytime I call they say its received and they have 14 days to pay it.

Paul

Jan. 7, 2011, 6:21 p.m.

re: business quick pay claims

I too filed the quick pay forms that were posted online. On purpose or not, there were indeed four or five missing words. I was humored by the multiple call reps who (and sometimes still do) infer that somehow it was my fault.

I wasn’t happy about it, but I went ahead and redownloaded and overnighted again (another 18 dollars). My second claim was recieved (or stamped as they say) on the 31st…though the post office says it got there the 30th.

OK so here’s my real problem. I did not download the statistics on the 31 so I do not know the true count of business qp claims recieved by the 31st. What I do know is that on the 3rd there were a total of 8287 bus. qp claims in their system. One would assume that some of those were on the “bad” form…but again, lets give them thebenefit of the doubt and say that none were AND because I don’t have the 12/31 stats I will pretend that my claim was entered on 1/3. That leaves around 800 claims (submitted by 1/3) still waiting to be paid. Given that it is now past banking, business and mailing hours on the east coast I will assume that I was not paid today.

I will be very intrested in seeing tonight’s stats. Remember, I am being very generous (sound familiar?) with the GCCF by not criticising the fact that the 1/3 numbers may include some bad forms and those recieved on the 3rd that mine should be ahead of.

So my question is, given that I agreed to 14 days; Should I be upset that I have not been paid by day 8 when I feel confident that some have submitted later and been paid earlier? Let me know what you think

Anyone have the 12/31 stats saved?

Michael

Jan. 7, 2011, 5:49 p.m.

Anyone got any more info on this quick pay for businesses .. I would hate to sit here for 14 days and get another BS letter .... And the gccf claims number gives me 10 different answers ...like I am stupid ... come on .. what are they doing

Michael

Jan. 7, 2011, 5:45 p.m.

OK ,I have a business claim with bp . I am trying to take the quick pay option .But on the 29th of December I received a letter that said null… what .. then I read it and it said some BS about the form I downloaded was incorrect . So I sent the one they sent me in .. My question is .. Does this not seem like a way to try and get out of paying us ..,..like they are investigating us even after the fact that the approved our advanced payments .. I thought the whole point of taking the quick pay was you would not have to go through any more review .. seems like they are stalling trying to take more time to review .. trying to find a loop hole to screw us out of the 25,000 . I have a friend that has already received the 5,000 ... I don’t know if you can be denied a quick pay or not ...

Michelle

Jan. 7, 2011, 5:31 p.m.

It is VERY sad! we are all helpless I mean NOBODY is doing anything to help us. (Our Government)

Todd

Jan. 7, 2011, 5:25 p.m.

michelle                                                                                                                                           no I wasn’t denied, recieved my eap in november, took awhile though! just can’t believe the horror stories i hear on this thread. very saddening!

Todd

Jan. 7, 2011, 5:20 p.m.

michelle

Digging

Jan. 7, 2011, 1:39 p.m.

Report just out:

NEW ORLEANS – Months of investigation by a presidential commission and other panels reinforce the likelihood that companies involved in the Gulf oil spill will be slapped with criminal charges that could add tens of billions of dollars to the huge fines they already face, legal experts said Thursday.

The reports don’t blame a single person or group responsible for the series of mistakes. That means in the end no one may go to prison for the worst offshore oil spill in U.S. history.

BP, Transocean and Halliburton should survive thanks to their financial arsenal, though charges would take another chink out of their armor.

“The evidence of negligence is too compelling and the harm is too great,” said David Uhlmann, former chief of environmental crimes at the Justice Department. “The Justice Department is likely to believe that BP, Transocean and Halliburton were negligent and should be criminally charged. There’s no question about that.”

Besides possible criminal charges, the investigations also could play a key role in the outcome of the hundreds of civil lawsuits. In those cases, attorneys for the fishermen, businesses, property owners and others want to prove gross negligence by BP and its partners, which could lead to bigger payouts.

AMY

Jan. 7, 2011, 12:58 p.m.

I wonder when are they really going to send out offer letters.. Ive been searching the internet haven’t found not 1 person who has received one. Maybe in Febuary ????

Michelle

Jan. 7, 2011, 12:57 p.m.

More B.S. from the GCCF….Todd and Amy were you guys denied EAP?

Todd

Jan. 7, 2011, 12:55 p.m.

I’m told the same thing, says received but if you call"oh your under review, should get something in the mail anytime now”, ya right!!

AMY

Jan. 7, 2011, 12:48 p.m.

I DID MINES 11/08/2010 SHE DID HERS IN DEC 2010 AND I THOUGHT MINES WAS PRIORTY SINCE I FILED BEFORE 11/23 ANOTHER LIE

Michelle

Jan. 7, 2011, 12:37 p.m.

@Amy when did you and your friend file your final? I did mine on 11/9

Magen

Jan. 7, 2011, 12:36 p.m.

@Amy
Thanks for sharing that.  I was wondering because my status does only say received but when call the hotline the uninformed representatives tell me once again that it is under review.  So, surprise, another lie just to placate someone for the moment.

AMY

Jan. 7, 2011, 12:32 p.m.

ALSO IF YOU CLAIM STATUS SAYS REVICED THEN IT IS WHAT IT SAYS JUST RECEIVED NOT UNDER REVIEW// MY FRIEND STATUS ACTUALLY SAYS UNDER REVIEW MINES SAYS RECEIVED/// SO THERE IS THE TRUTH FOR FINAL CLAIMS STATUS

CG

Jan. 7, 2011, 12:28 p.m.

CG

Jan. 7, 2011, 12:28 p.m.

Again I encourage folks to read this site I am NOT a tree hugger but I thought this was scary http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com

CG

Jan. 7, 2011, 12:24 p.m.

@Todd..
Our local news channel was out there to Perdido Key by the Eden and acutally picked tar balls!  At least they are being honest! This tourist season is going to be awful! I

Magen

Jan. 7, 2011, 12:04 p.m.

@ CG I live in Pensacola so I can relate.  I’m wondering the same thing about the finals.  I hope the GCCF is not waiting until all the quick pays are processed before they start on the full reviews because the amount of quick pays being submitted is increasing everyday.  Every time I have called the hotline I get the same response “your final claim is under review and no determination has been made yet.” You would think they would have adjusters reviewing both full review and quick pay claims simultaneously considering the full review claims will clearly take more time.  I don’t understand how they have only compensated one business for their final claim when there are probably many more final claims that were filed on the same date or before that particular company’s.

CG

Jan. 7, 2011, 12:01 p.m.

What someone needs to do is call Dateline! let them record a conversations w/ different Yahoo’s at the GCCF because NONE of their answers are the same! Put Feinburg on blast and OBAMA! Bunch of B.S.!!!!

todd

Jan. 7, 2011, Noon

they’re once again not telling the truth! If they were paying finals it would show up in the statistics. they r just telling you what they think you want to hear so you’ll back off. i commented yesterday about the the stuff that rolled up on the beach at pcb, now local officials are trying to say its sapp! you can’t even trust locals anymore

Drake Toulouse

Jan. 7, 2011, 11:54 a.m.

Thanks for all the responses everybody…it is appreciated and good luck to everyone with their claims…subscribed to the thread and I’ll keep checking in…

FYI - http://draketoulouse.com/2011/01/07/where-theres-smoke-theres-feinberg/

-Drake

AMY

Jan. 7, 2011, 11:53 a.m.

I HEARD NO FINAL (FINALS) HAVE BEEN PAID OR OFFER LETTERS HAVE BEEN SENT OUT…. SO I DON’T THINK THAT INFO IS TRUE…..

CG

Jan. 7, 2011, 11:42 a.m.

Go see Drakes Page guys! THANKS DRAKE!!!
http://draketoulouse.com/

Michelle

Jan. 7, 2011, 11:40 a.m.

@Drake
It’s like the lottery! People in the exact same field making the same pay one employee is approved and one is denied no rhyme or reason! I still don’t have a clear answer on why I was denied! This oil spill is BIGGER than they are willing to admit at this time.

CG

Jan. 7, 2011, 11:34 a.m.

Heard on the news…tar balls on Perdido Key! in my freaking backyard! BP you are liars and you suck! I spoke to someone from the GCCF yesterday she told me they are paying finals (not quick pay) the final finals….but the website isn’t updating! Has anyone heard of anyone receiving their final??

Molly

Jan. 7, 2011, 8:15 a.m.

I will like to ask you not to leave the thread.  It is very difficult to attack individuals and expect not to be attacked back.

I do not have to google homeowners insurance becasue I have a home I do know that the govenment controls it.  However, the government regulations does not stop insurance companies from trying to keep from paying claims. Individuals have been paying homeowners insurance for over 40 years and still have a slabl. Our beaches are still full of slabs five years later.

Prime example, the govenment appointed KF for the BP fund and you can see what type of government we have.  Anyway back to the subject at hand, I hope you and everyone else gets there claims APPROVED AND PAID!!!!

Shelly

Jan. 7, 2011, 7:53 a.m.

Drake, I am leaving this thread to avoid personal attacks.  Going over to email you in regards to the deficiency letters and the timeline involved.
Molly, please GOOGLE HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE or FLOOD INSURANCE and read up on who controls this as well
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.. MS. SMARTY.
I am just thinking that the government doesn’t covered damaged meth labs. 
Sorry guys, but I keep much better company

joseph

Jan. 7, 2011, 7:26 a.m.

@ DRAKE OR DIGGING

deficiency letters, as explained to me by a GCCF phone rep, is something you get if you are missing any documents, identifications, etc. i asked her if i get the letter, does that push back another 90 days? from there i could tell she was getting her info. somewhere from way over yonder. i filed my final nov. 12(day after my EAP was denied-due to being an oilfield worker) although the website says received(meaning in review) its been like that for the longest. Hell, i half-assed an interim claim form(when the new ones came out on line—just to see) and once i checked my online status, the interim claim said it was received…after that, i no longer believe anything the website says. Why the hell would you even post up daily statistics, stats, information, etc, if the info is not up to date and relevant for the time being?

loss of subsistence and natural resources…........
-tell me how im supposed to prove that i eat my catch without GCCF accepting my recreational fishing license? The people at GCCF were in awe when i told them that some cat food, a cast net, and a case of beer will get me near an ice chest of shrimp in a day. Or in a day, if me and a friend go catch some reds, we’ll pull in our limit of 5 each within 15-20 min of fishing…(aall of which measuring 26-28+ inches) or go some pull a few crabtraps we have around our camp, and have 2 dozen crabs in 30-45 min.  living in south louisiana, im used to eating seafood more times than not during the week. its retarted to see that they;ve only paid a handful of loss of subsistence and natural resources claims. this is SPORTSMAN"S PARADISE gccf, you either HUNT or FISH, or both..

Digging

Jan. 7, 2011, 2:53 a.m.

I entered the GCCF process with only one of my companies.  I did not file for a personal loss only one business claim loss.  I’m so glad I got Denied.  I have one C Corporation with issued stock.  I have one 501-C company that is not for profit and three LLC’s.  I also have an attorney. 

  I will not accept anything they offer for a final payment unless I know it will cover my personal losses, business losses and any of my employees losses.  None of my employees filed for a claim.  Here is the reason I will wait and do “Do Process” in New Orleans.

If I take a settlement that means my spouse, my stock holders, employees will also have to wave their right to sue.  Have you seen that list.  There are people and companies on that list that had nothing to do with the oil spill.
Hyundai Motor Company… I think I have three or four of those in the company
Lloyd’s of London – I have some insurance through them and we’ve already had our battles so that means I would have to go find a new insurance carrier.
Brett Robinson – He has nothing to do with the oil spill so that means if he messes with two of my condos I have managed by him I can’t sue him.  I will need to look for another management company.

These are just to name a few.  I want full disclosure of who I’m releasing and I want to know how they could affect me in the future and If I’m doing business with them or one of their sub companies I want to know.  I am entitled to that at the very least.

Digging

Jan. 7, 2011, 2:36 a.m.

@Drake

You asked the Million Dollar Questions.. no one knows the real answers to what you are asking.  And that is the whole problem.  What we are told is never done so it’s any ones guessing game.

Can you be more explicit as to the exact meaning of a “deficiency” letter and can someone not either up here or via e-mail the exact timelines given to you regarding emergency, quick, interim and final payments?

Deficiency is just a term they are using to stall and either ask for more information or if this is still in reference to your EAP payment and it’s still open then expect to be denied.  Unless you are the 1 in a million that gets approved at this stage of the game.

Time line?  I would go to one of the GCCF offices if you can.  This seems to be the fastest way and they also have your name logged in their book that you signed in that day so they can’t dispute you were there in person.  It’s easier to shuffle off people who only file online and do not go in person. 

Good luck with your claim.

BK Beach 4x4

Jan. 6, 2011, 11:35 p.m.

For all those who have an opportunity to benefit from a quick payout take the money and get on with life, especially fi that money is in dire need.
I’ve lost so much only a mental breakdown would cause me to give up 100% recovery.

All of us face decisions beyond the turmoil and tumult of the GCCF Claims process, if a quick payout ends the stress riddled relationship with Ken Feinberg and heals economic woes do it.

This is a 3 year process and hopefully all of us are out of the process and paid realistically well before the 36 month anniversary.

Drake Toulouse

Jan. 6, 2011, 10:57 p.m.

Been reading for the past hour or so and all I gotta say is I knew it was bad, anyone paying attention to this can see it is bad, but I didn’t know it was this bad…

While I agree, the quick payment option to me seems like a way to really short change the future, it is also quite apparent that Feinberg is counting on stalling/desperation to make the option as appealing as possible. People do what they have to do, deciding whether to accept or not, probably not such a good idea to attack anyone up here as division between people with claims only works in BP’s favor…but, do as you wish, as is everyone’s right…

I’m a carpetbagger as well, so the last thing I wanna do here is to go to the Feinbergian method of telling people what to do…

I would like to ask…two questions, if any of you have the time. Can you be more explicit as to the exact meaning of a “deficiency” letter and can someone not either up here or via e-mail the exact timelines given to you regarding emergency, quick, interim and final payments?

Thanks…best to all and good luck…

-Drake

CG

Jan. 6, 2011, 10:53 p.m.

@Jessica….go and try 2 file a final you have to login it’s different from chcking your claim status it will show that a final was filed mine was like that

Molly

Jan. 6, 2011, 9:10 p.m.

Shelly

First of all, you must really be on crack or something.  I never once mentioned or stated that I was turned down from FEMA. I received “EAP” for the GCCF but I also feel for the individuals who had not received it.  In fact, I am just waiting for my co-workers to file a class action so I can provide them with “ALL” of my claim information. It is just not fair to pay one person and not the others.  You need to stop being so SELF-CENTERED an realize that other individuals were really SHAFTED in the claims process.


Second of all, you need to stop talking to everyone like they are stupid.  For your information, I am well educated with “THREE” degrees.  Just because I am well educated does not give me the right to talk down or pass judgement against anyone like you have.  Education has nothing to do with what individuals are owed due to the Oil Spill disaster.

Third of all,  you are so funny to me.  Another reason why I have not done anything with the GCCF is becasue I am to busy laughing at you and watching them give you the run around. You really need to stop and look at such a fool they are making out of you. 

Fourth of all, FEMA will not pay for my home.  If you know anything about owning a home, this is a such thing as “HOWEOWNERS INSURANCE!”

Jessica

Jan. 6, 2011, 8:45 p.m.

@ Molly…I completely agree with you, but the sad part is no one will see the full consequences of accepting the quick payment until there knee deep in oil and all these states are ghost towns…due to the oil…I’m sorry but 5000 for anyone is CRAP, your suppose to file for the next 3 yrs, not for a month…I do need the money now but they won’t get away with giving me 5000 for the next 3 yrs…especially like the GCCF guy told me, remember this is also to compensate you if you were to lose your job in a year due to the oil…so I definitely filed for a whole lot more than that….but people don’t see it that way, I’m not signing my rights to anyone until I feel completely compensated…I hope everyone has good luck getting there money..we all deserve it…

Jessica

Jan. 6, 2011, 8:31 p.m.

@CG thanks but I did call them and they said they show the same thing we see on the online status, that they don’t know anymore than that, which means they have not received it, but they said it could be there they just haven’t put it in yet…but its been almost 5 weeks…if i file another one then my 90 days will start over and they might have my first one, but if i don’t then, I may be wasting time…just dont know if im the only one having this problem…I guess I am cause I dont see anymore complaints on here about it…

shelly

Jan. 6, 2011, 8:31 p.m.

You were both turned down for FEMA monies and GCCF monies.
I’m not buying it.
BUT.. education makes both of you very defensive.
I can only assume that this is what it is.

Mona Lisa

Jan. 6, 2011, 7:49 p.m.

I just discovered a site when doing research for updating my final claim.

Survivethespill.com

which has links to other sites such as

BPbusinessclaims.com

A lot of information, videos, documentation, etc.  Links to attorneys.

Molly

Jan. 6, 2011, 7:22 p.m.

@ Shelly

What every you decide is your business. I could care less if you are taking the quick claim.  However, this thread is not just to talk about only “YOUR” quick payment settlement.  It is also information sharing. I am glad your are apart of the thead becasue this is my reasoning for not applying of the quick claim. 

Again, I hope you get your claim because I see that they have you going around in circles.  I also received an business quick claim.  I opened it, looked at it, and thew that S??T in the trash.  My home is less than 100 yards from the water.  When hurricane Katina hit, I had eight feet of water in my home. With the next hurricane, I have to now worry about having eight feet of oil in my home also. I have a job that I loss wages from (on the beach), a home, and self employed. As you can see $25,000 is no where close to my losses.

CG

Jan. 6, 2011, 6:59 p.m.

@Shelly
Not to start a fight but you act like your starving to death… you said your business was a part time and you were an Accountant full time…most of the folks were denied on here when they should of have NOT been….their coworkers who made the same were approved and they were denied…nobody feels sorry for you I don’t! I feel for the folks who were short changed or denied! Greedy Greedy!

CG

Jan. 6, 2011, 6:54 p.m.

@Todd Why you must be feeding into insanity! haha Go check out that site I posted up….makes my stomach sick. I watched the bulldozers HIDE the oil under the sand! I was born and raised on the Gulf Coast we use to fish everyday off our dock…now..it’s too scary who wants to risk dying from eating the fish? Nobody will give straight answers because it’s going to hurt our economy even worse if the tourists don’t show up…..Love how our goverment hides things from us

Shelly

Jan. 6, 2011, 6:51 p.m.

Not that it is the business of anyone here, but for the record and to defend the attack that is taking place in this thread on the folks who OPTED to take the quick settlement
My final claim with the GCCF for my projected 3 years of losses was 24000.00!  After they would have deducted my emergency payment it would have been 21000.00
Unless you cannot count… you can clearly see why I made the decision that I did.
Please discontinue attacking folks who made decisions in their best interest.  You clearly have no concept of what you are even talking about.
I have a very small part time business that I was able to prove losses and I was awarded a fair settlement.
It may not work this way for everyone, but that’s the way it worked for me.
In addition to being a small business owner, I am also a full time Accountant.
Honestly, I do not believe that this thread is a place for angry people to bash others.
As you stated…Please stop!

Molly

Jan. 6, 2011, 6:42 p.m.

@ todd

I think oil is going to continue to wash up.  Every since the KF has been stating positive information to the public, they are falling for it.  All of a sudden when KF states that it will only take 10B to settle claims, articles & media are stating that BP stock in increasing with BP having a full recovery, that is what is forcing individuals to apply for the quick claim.

Sometimes you just have to put your self in KF shoes and ask youself, “WHAT CAN I SAY OR DUE TO MAKE PEOPLE TAKE THE QUICK CLAIM WITHOUT THINKING?”  Individuals are falling for it, but it is there decision.  I am definetly not falling for it. I can see the oil washing up with my own eyes also, but when I look KF in the media, he is presenting an “OIL IS GONE” image.  WOW!

todd

Jan. 6, 2011, 6:16 p.m.

we just had oil dispersants wash up on the beaches in pcb. makes you think if it’s really worth signing off right now!

CG

Jan. 6, 2011, 6:05 p.m.

@ Jessica
Call them I did and sent an email so you have it in writing.  They said it was received.

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