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Revealed: The NSA’s Secret Campaign to Crack, Undermine Internet Security

Newly revealed documents show that the NSA has circumvented or cracked much of the encryption that automatically secures the emails, Web searches, Internet chats and phone calls of Americans and others around the world. The project, referred to internally by the codename Bullrun, also includes efforts to weaken the encryption standards adopted by software developers.

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Patrick Sea Star

Sep. 6, 2013, 3:39 p.m.

I’ve thought about this for quite a while, as others mentioned those of us in the IT industry see a need to secure data, and especially from our own government.
The PROBLEM is that Congress enacts laws that makes data compliance part of the fascist control of our industry. SOX compliance, HIPPA, CIPA,  and Patriot Act, all have hooks into current and future hardware.

PGP code hasn’t been updated since the passage of Patriot Act, any wonder why?

Short of unplugging our network structures from the world, the next best thing to keep the bad guys (INCLUDING NSA, FBI, ATF, DEA) out of our business, is to vote, and be informed. if you didn’t complain about Patriot Act when it was passed, you are part of the friggin’ problem. When discussion’s about Poindexter’s clamor for Echelon, on tech web sites, you dolts were too busy with your heads in the sand not doing the news.

When the paranoid among us talk about “the Black Budget” maybe it is time for me people to ask their congressman/woman about those line items.

Patrick Sea Star

Sep. 6, 2013, 3:45 p.m.

I’ve thought about this for quite a while, as others mentioned those of us in the IT industry see a need to secure data, and especially from our own government.
The PROBLEM is that Congress enacts laws that makes data compliance part of the fascist control of our industry. SOX compliance, HIPPA, CIPA,  and Patriot Act, all have hooks into current and future hardware.

PGP code hasn’t been updated since the passage of Patriot Act, any wonder why?

Short of unplugging our network structures from the world, the next best thing to keep the bad guys (INCLUDING NSA, FBI, ATF, DEA) out of our business, is to vote, and be informed. if you didn’t complain about Patriot Act when it was passed, you are part of the friggin’ problem. When discussion’s about Poindexter’s clamor for Echelon, on tech web sites, you dolts were too busy with your heads in the sand not doing the news.
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/PoindyEar.html
When the paranoid among us talk about “the Black Budget” maybe it is time for me people to ask their congressman/woman about those line items.

Sama

Sep. 6, 2013, 4:02 p.m.

Does anyone else find it troubling that the NSA refers to even civilians at home as “adversaries”?

Patrick Sea Star

Sep. 6, 2013, 4:20 p.m.

Sama

Since the end of Reagan’s term i’ve felt the government is adversarial.

I am not fully in the Alex Jones closet but i am coming very close to that.

OUR government NEEDS to fear US. and more RESPECT US.

there have been too many shining examples of usurpations over the last couple of decades to number.

I work in IT and have a relative who was involved with the TIA /Echelon project. He retired from the federal gov about a decade, but he acts like a total spook at family gatherings.
it one of “if he’d tell, he have to shoot you..”

I am moving my desktop a non-windows environment, where i do have a little more control. ( I did say “a little” )

Occam

Sep. 6, 2013, 4:37 p.m.

Breaking encryption codes is the logical equivalent of breaking into your home or business file cabinets and making copies of your physical files.
Doing this is illegal search without a warrant for specific and detailed probable cause.

Leo Cotnoir

Sep. 6, 2013, 5:38 p.m.

Occam, why is it so difficult to understand the difference between having the capability of breaking into your home or office and actually doing so?

Leo Cotnoir

Sep. 6, 2013, 5:40 p.m.

Patrick Sea Star, the fact that you have a relative who is a self-aggrandizing jerk is not relevant to the conversation. I know many people who work, or have worked, at NSA and other intelligence agency who don’t make asses of themselves at family gatherings or elsewhere.

Lorraine Lee

Sep. 6, 2013, 7:14 p.m.

If the government were serious about efficacy in threat detection, they would crowdsource the mining of their fire hose of metadata, not pick at it in secret projects.  They are choosing more information asymmetry over more information processing capabilities.  Whenever information asymmetry is being cultivated and accumulated, it is very reasonable to ask who benefits.  The same “world is a dangerous place” canard that says individuals who have nothing to hide have nothing to fear, also says that security institutions who hide nothing reveal everything to hostile parties.  The Hobbesian worldview (whether true or false) shouldn’t be allowed to have it both ways.

Lorraine Lee

Sep. 6, 2013, 7:15 p.m.

@Leo Cotnoir, Nixon was forced to resign because there were leaks.

Peter

Sep. 6, 2013, 8:16 p.m.

From interview of people living in NAZ1 Germany: “they thought they were free” : “What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security”.

Dana

Sep. 6, 2013, 8:36 p.m.

Can we at least agree to ignore the obvious government plant Cotnoir? Pretend he doesn’t exist. He is emblematic of the governments panic these revelations are producing. The scales are falling from our eyes and we see our own governments disdain ...for us.

Leo Cotnoir

Sep. 6, 2013, 9:08 p.m.

@Lorraine Lee, Nixon was forced to resign because he committed crimes while in office. Leaking evidence of crimes is one thing. Snowden has not revealed any criminal actions.

@Dana, typical. When you have no argue just launch personal attacks. For the record: I am no one’s plant. However, unlike most of the people posting here I can read so I know that the article says nothing about any wrongdoing on the part of NSA or anyone else. Those who think NSA should not break the codes used by terrorists and organized crime are naïve to the point of irresponsibility. As I said, the issue is not the capabilities NSA has but how they use them. Grow up, people, and recognize that the world is not your moms’ basement.

Kolja

Sep. 6, 2013, 9:10 p.m.

” It is worth remembering that had the US and the UK not been able to break German and Japanese encryption systems during World War II the outcome of that conflict might have been very different.”

never mind the non US and UK forces that were just lazying around while the above mentioned encryption systems were being broken.

Leo Cotnoir

Sep. 6, 2013, 9:30 p.m.

Kolja, in fact the Poles played a significant role in helping the US and UK break the Enigma cipher machine.

Patricia L. Henry

Sep. 7, 2013, 2:15 a.m.

Snowden is a national hero.  We must reward him.  I can now see why our government and big business are trying to silence him

randy james

Sep. 7, 2013, 2:16 a.m.

@“Throughout history, nations have used encryption to protect their secrets, and today, terrorists, cybercriminals, human traffickers and others also use code to hide their activities. Our intelligence community would not be doing its job if we did not try to counter that.”

If we (as tax-paying citizens) objectively analyze the threats to our security, it’s not difficult to see that legions of lavishly compensated bureaucrats, and their cronies in the private-sector, have an acute lifelong survival interest in protecting the various unfunded entitlements they have conferred upon themselves. These are people who’s primary (and in many cases only) assets are promises given to them by a profoundly corrupt government, which can no longer fund itself on tax-revenues alone, but is systemically dependent upon perpetually revolving credit, and printing $Trillions of US Dollars each year.

So, when the NSA director’s office refers to “terrorists, cybercriminals, human traffickers, and others…”, as the people they are protecting us from, it constitutes a sort of oxymoron.

Every “public servant” with an unfunded multi-million-dollar compensation and pension package guaranteed by a government agency (federal, state, or local) is depending upon them to make sure those entitlements are made good, and the number of people who fall into that category exceeds 20-million. That’s the active-duty group. We can only guess at the size of the group who have already retired, and are relying upon permanent life-support from a government agency. Perhaps another 20-million at least?

We’re talking about a stream of benefits feeding off the work-product of the private-sector that easily exceeds $1-Trillion a year, and is probably closer to $2-Trillion. If we were paying that money in the form of a “ransom”, it would no doubt be under investigation by the FBI. However, since it’s not a ransom, it’s what the members of the governing class believe to be their due as “public servants”, we in the private-sector are expected to regard it as “necessary and proper”.

As long as the governing class can continue to pay itself the compensation it has determined for itself that it deserves, by putting it on the national credit card, or coercing the Fed to create it out of thin air, the argument over threats to our security as private citizens can remain focused on “terrorists and human traffickers”. However, when our economy, already staggering under the burden of government waste, fraud, and endemic greed, finds itself on it’s knees, and the Fed can no longer conceal the hand-to-mouth relationship between it’s “quantitative easing” and propping up US Treasury debt auctions, what then? Which of the last two named threats to our security becomes the most immediate: the “cybercriminals” or the “others”—and who exactly might those people be?

That’s the point where those of us in the private-sector who believe “we have nothing to hide” may find ourselves re-thinking that assumption. And by then, the stuff we thought wasn’t important enough to hide, will be comfortably ensconced in a data-vault somewhere, presided over by 20-30 million of our fellow citizens who will act as gatekeepers to whatever economic resources remain.

Patricia L. Henry

Sep. 7, 2013, 2:20 a.m.

Snowden is a national hero.  I can now see why government and big business are trying to silence him

gezzerx

Sep. 7, 2013, 3:22 a.m.

The Fourth Amendment would be a good place to start. Anything less than
that is unacceptable,after all the members of of our 3 branches of Gov’t
took an oath to do just that ! ! !  All 3 branches have betrayed us !

Wake up America, Democrats or Republicans. liberals or conservatives it’s two sides of the same evil coin it’s called Fascism. So the next time a Democrat or Republican asks for your vote, support or money just say no & vote for an independent candidate. Send a message they can’t ignore & will understand ! ! Both parties have been complicit in this criminal activity.

The Government will continue its propaganda campaign useing the following
tactics as quoted by Joseph Goebbels during the 1930’s & 1940’.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important
for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth
is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the
greatest enemy of the State.”  AND

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless
one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine
itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

The supreme law of The USA is the Constitution, not the Patriot act the
FISA act, or any other such acts that have unconstitutional provisions,are
invalid & it matters not how many public officials say it’s legal, it’s NOT for the 1st,4th,5th,6th 9th & 14th amendments say otherwise ! ! To say it is legal only shows the public their betrayal of the Constitution, their oath of office, and the American people.

No more lies, excuses rationalizations,or justifications, the public needs
to hold these officials to account to the fullest extent of the law under
Title 18 sec. 241 & 242 So any future traitors will know there will be
consequences to such behavior.

REMEMBER: POLITICIANS AND DIAPERS SHOULD BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON.

He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.
Benjamin Franklin

Experience hath shown, that even under the best forms of government those
entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it
into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson

Suny

Sep. 7, 2013, 3:54 a.m.

I just wanted to say thank you to the good journalists, engineers and scientists who are working to protect freedom in this unique world wide web. Since the dawn of the civilization, humans have been fighting in the name of race, religion, tribe and all other sundry reasons. The world wide web, enabled breaking cultural, religious, racial and economic barriers around the world, it is truly amazing and extremely under-appreciated. The WWW can be easily termed as the next level of human civilization, which has great potential to bring world harmony, prosperity and greater understanding among people and culture.
I hope the Engineers and Scientists who are colluding with the governments around the world do some soul searching and realize that they are taking away liberty from people they love and future generation. Terrorists could be just 0.1% of global population, and these snooping acts are not at all to deter that minority, this has much more sinister intentions by the powerful police state in the making.

G. Kerry Comerford

Sep. 7, 2013, 6:17 a.m.

As a retired old fart who has nothing of importance to hide, I would like to say…FUCK YOU,YOU TOTALITARIAN ASSHOLES.

SWeber

Sep. 7, 2013, 7:41 a.m.

@Leo Cotnoir
@Cdelairre

The two most accurate comments of this article & issue.  Cheers!

Who cares!

Sep. 7, 2013, 8:11 a.m.

Of all of these naive and vastly misinformed comments from individuals claiming the NSA and other government agencies are violating their privacies by reading emails and what not, I ask; Have you forgotten 9/11?; do you feel comfortable going to sleep every nite knowing that despite the fact you are getting some shut eye, you are being protected!!. Did you ever feel that if you have nothing to hide you should have nothing to fear? Get real. Some of you curse at these acts, yet EVERYONE wants a piece of mind and feel safe. Nothing cost nothing.

Wag the Dog

Sep. 7, 2013, 9:46 a.m.

“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.” - In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776, The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen United States of America.

These radical words resulted, in part, from the King of Great Britain’s history of “repeated injuries and usurpations” adversely affecting the natural rights and liberties of the American People. Properly framed, the present debate is not so much about what the NSA does (spying, decryption, etc.) or even why there may be a need for its actions (911, al Qaeda, etc.); rather, it whether we the People choose to surrender our natural right to give (or withhold) our consent regarding the powers of Government to an agency whose own internal organization is clouded in nearly impenetrable secrecy. The arguable risks to our national security resulting from having this open and public debate pale in comparison to the perilous precedent we set by avoiding it under the dangerous assumption that those in power will always place the wellbeing of the People above their own interests.

Mark Fraser

Sep. 7, 2013, 11:03 a.m.

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” Benjamin Franklin, 1755

NSA paraphrase of Franklin, To keep you safe we must know what everybody is doing. At least Chinese citizens have no illusion that all their communications are under government scrutiny.

Bradford

Sep. 7, 2013, 12:38 p.m.

Leo Cotnoir

Sep. 5, 6:46 p.m.

I wonder whether anyone, besides me, posting here has every worked at NSA. Judging by the insanity of most of the comments, I rather doubt it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
“Leo Cotnoir” = FedGov STOOGE, who used to “work(ed) at” the NSA, ......
but who is now only a paid subcontractor for an NSA publicity firm…
YO!, Leo, The Twin Towers DID NOT, and COULD NOT have collapsed SOLELY as the result of aircraft impact & resulting fires, the *object* that struck the Pentagon was most likely a cruise missile, and NOTHING crashed in Shanksville, PA that day…Show me even ONE documented photo showing recognizable aircraft debris, explain *WHY* there was *NO* attempt to forensically identify *ANYBODY* from PA., and what is the signifigance of *which* side of the Pentagon that was struck…???... Without even mentioning, NYC, *YOU* will *NOT*BE* able to answer ANY of these questions, will you, Mr. Cotnoir..???...wait and see, folks, wait and SEE…I am calling you OUT, dude…
signed, Bradford Hutchingson…
Yes, that IS my real name…
(...“yea, though I live in the Country of the FedGov&NSA;, I will fear no man, for the Lord my Buddha is my refuge and protector…~Tenzin Gyatso, HHDalai Lama of Tibet…)...
*SEMPER*FIDELIS*America*
~silentum~:~excubitor~
.rides.legacy.773.

Leo Cotnoir

Sep. 7, 2013, 12:55 p.m.

Bradford:

1) I am retired and do not work for anyone. I was at NSA many years ago when I was in the Air Force. However, I did get see what kind of people work there and their dedication to the law.

2) If you believe that 9/11 was an inside job you are simply crazy.

3) Who the fuck are you to call me out? Get a life, little boy.

Ed

Sep. 7, 2013, 2:40 p.m.

@Leo

How do you feel about Cointelpro? A system which has the ability to siphon unimaginable amounts of information on the general public (of this country, and the world), is in place. It essentially exists in a vacuum of accountability, the fact that these revelations and documents now exist in the public sphere shows you just the sort of safeguards against abuse they’ve got.

These capabilities have been abused, likely currently are being abused in some fashion, and almost assuredly will be in the future. They didn’t catch the Boston Marathon bombers, didn’t catch Times Square attempted bombing, shoe-bomber, etc.. Events which, just like 9/11, had numerous red flags that could have or should have been spotted which could have prevented them.

So doesn’t seem like they’re all that good at preventing the thing they claim they must have access to EVERYTHING to do. The minimal threat of terrorism which has a multitude of other ways to be combated with existing and fully legal police powers does not warrant this vast intrusion upon everyone. The fact they don’t even seem to be able to effectively use this vast intrusion effectively only makes that point louder.

What are we more likely to end up with, allowing such things? Obviously not stopping terrorism so far. But let’s look for a moment at what our government has done, and by no means was Cointelpro an isolated event in our history: “between 1965 and 1975, the FBI opened more than 500,000 intelligence files on more than one million Americans, according to a Congressional report….Among the Bureau’s targets: Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement, anti-Vietnam War Groups, and the underground press.”

Worrying about the NSA (and the other myriad intelligence agencies we have, what number are we up to now? 6? 7?) is absolutely NOT paranoid.

Leo Cotnoir

Sep. 7, 2013, 3:16 p.m.

Ed, try to keep up. Cointelpro was an FBI program that was shut down in 1971.

Ed

Sep. 7, 2013, 3:37 p.m.

Nice effort at being patronizing there.

The point is, it happened. J Edgar Hoover is dead, does that mean his keeping files on individuals and politicians in order to exert control simply doesn’t matter?

People do not trust these sorts of programs for very good reason. You cannot dismiss history as irrelevant. Especially when it’s the history of the very country in question.

You could try making a point next time you respond, I wasn’t being an ass when I wrote that, it does you no credit to respond as though I were.

Ed

Sep. 7, 2013, 4:06 p.m.

“In one particularly controversial 1965 incident, civil rights worker Viola Liuzzo was murdered by Ku Klux Klansmen who gave chase and fired shots into her car after noticing that her passenger was a young black man; one of the Klansmen was acknowledged FBI informant Gary Thomas Rowe.[49][50] Rumors were spread that Liuzzo was a member of the Communist Party and abandoned her children to have sexual relationships with African Americans involved in the Civil Rights Movement.[51][52] FBI records show that J. Edgar Hoover personally communicated these insinuations to President Johnson.[53][54] FBI informant Rowe has also been implicated in some of the most violent crimes of the 1960s civil rights era, including attacks on the Freedom Riders and the 1963 Birmingham, Alabama 16th Street Baptist Church bombing.[49] According to Chomsky, in another instance in San Diego the FBI financed, armed, and controlled an extreme right-wing group of former Minutemen, transforming it into a group called the Secret Army Organization which targeted groups, activists, and leaders involved in the Anti-War Movement for both intimidation and violent acts.”

Courtesy of the U.S. Government. I’m sorry, but history does not exist in a vacuum and to ignore it or deny it’s relevance is to open the door to further abuse.

Leo Cotnoir

Sep. 7, 2013, 4:14 p.m.

Ed, I fail to see how things that happened in the 1960s are relevant to the topic at hand. No one is claiming that some in the government have not overstepped their bounds but history shows that those wrongs were, in time, corrected.

Yes, I was patronizing because you are blabbering nonsense.

Ed

Sep. 7, 2013, 4:48 p.m.

The history of our intelligence agencies is absolutely relevant to this issue. Do you think spying on anti-war groups has stopped? That the government does not continue to infiltrate and disrupt groups? Wasn’t 10 years ago they were infiltrating anti-war quakers..quakers. You know, the consummate pacifists.

You want to say history shows these wrongs have been corrected, you’re going to have to prove it. Who went to prison over cointelpro? Who went to prison over the NSA’s illegal warrantless wiretapping (you know, recently)? How about the “loveint” business? Any time these wrongs get “corrected” as you say, they merely reappear in some other fashion a little while later and almost always with very little or no consequence. Cointelpro was not corrected, that particular program merely stopped, the damage was already done.

“The Committee finds that the domestic activities of the intelligence community at times violated specific statutory prohibitions and infringed the constitutional rights of American citizens. The legal questions involved in intelligence programs were often not considered. On other occasions, they were intentionally disregarded in the belief that because the programs served the “national security” the law did not apply. While intelligence officers on occasion failed to disclose to their superiors programs which were illegal or of questionable legality, the Committee finds that the most serious breaches of duty were those of senior officials, who were responsible for controlling intelligence activities and generally failed to assure compliance with the law.”

Ah, “national security”, the catch-all justification for everything.

If I’m blabbering nonsense, you should have no trouble tearing apart any point I’ve made. Unlike you (at least the way you’re acting now) I welcome any rebuttal that could enlighten my thinking on the subject. If instead you’re only capable of talking down to people, one must wonder why you even bother; all you’ll do is further solidify the opinions of those who disagree with you.

vaporland

Sep. 7, 2013, 4:57 p.m.

We have met the terrorist, and he is us.

Melchior Smith

Sep. 7, 2013, 5:02 p.m.

The primary role of the NSA since its founding has been to defeat encryption protocols, and they are doing a great job.  Members of the US media on the other hand have recklessly disclosed our capabilities to the world and hence our adversaries such as Al Qaeda and Iran.

The NY Times and ProPublica should be charged on the Espionage act.

Mark Ganter

Sep. 7, 2013, 7 p.m.

Me thinks that people that actually do or did work at the NSA don’t go around telling people they do or they did.  Umm… for a bunch of very reasonable reasons the defense industry and intelligence types frown upon folks that advertise such things.

Rob Martin

Sep. 7, 2013, 7:02 p.m.

I would be thrilled if Glen & co were to focus their spotlights on the expected payoff from NSA’s compromising of internet security towards the membership of funds like the Carlyle Group.

Our loss is their gain; again and again…

Mark Ganter

Sep. 7, 2013, 7:13 p.m.

Think cloud computing…  The NSA lining up with american companies to weaken encryption or otherwise provide backdoors basically makes takes american vendors out of a hugely profitable marketplace.  Those vendors (who they are ??) cannot be trusted with providing for secure data.  There goes many billions of dollars and lots of jobs out of the USA to somewhere else.  It will be interesting to see how our government and media make this minor tidbit go silently away.

Richard Kerr

Sep. 7, 2013, 7:20 p.m.

It used to be the case that foreign governments spying on the United States, had to go to multiple sources to obtain this information. It must be so much easier now to obtain almost any information on any person, groups of people, corporations, etc., as the NSA has now collected this vast digital library, a “virtual” America, if you will, while conveniently over-riding encryption programs. It seems to me that America has become infinitely more vulnerable through the efforts of the NSA, not less.

Mark Ganter

Sep. 7, 2013, 7:47 p.m.

People and organizations absolutely have a right to know whether or not their information/data is secure. Having access to that knowledge is actual freedom and not the pseudo “Freedom” the NSA would like us to have. Like us to think we have. The kind where they essentially say “trust us”, the same line politicians and used car salesmen hand out.  My hat is off to the news organizations that are providing the information about the NSA so we all can make some kind of actual informed decisions.  Then of course there will be those that say “If you aren’t doing anything wrong what does the NSA spying matter?”  Such a statement so completely and absurdly misses the point. One may as well say “If you aren’t doing anything wrong then shredding the constitution and those principles many have died to secure doesn’t really matter”.

Bradford

Sep. 7, 2013, 7:58 p.m.

@Leo Cotnoir:
Are you the one from Johnson City, Binghamton, or BAE Systems…???...not that I really care…whatever…
Yeah, I called you out, and you balked, then BLEW IT, dude…
You’re an arrogant, ignorant, blow-hard, spouting mis-, and dis- information… In your cutesy little itemized reply, you clumsily avoided any kind of coherent, direct response…you sound like a typical Repubtard…a Nixon, or Ronnie Raygun Repubtard…YOU brought up your previous employament by NSA…so what?...they showed you what they wanted you to see, and you swallowed the bait whole…Adding some (maybe bogus) AF service adds NOTHING to your non-existent credibility…Here’s MY list:

1. I never said 9/11 was an in- or out-side job, only that the official FedGov story is a LIE…or, a whitewash & cover-up, if you prefer the weasel word version…

2. Resorting to profanity is immature, at best, and calling ME “little boy” can’t help but bring to mind “I know you are, but what am I”...said in your best kindergarten voice, of course…

3. I called you out. You balked. You BLEW IT. You’re as irrelevant as the NSA…

4. How do you KNOW for SURE that Cointelpro was “shut down in 1972”...How do you know that it wasn’t simply renamed, and reborn, thus continuing NOW…???...

Don’t bother replying, you’re NOT that amusing, and I wanna watch some LOL Cats vids on youtube…or some Miley Cyrus, “Party In the USA”...

Peter

Sep. 8, 2013, 12:16 a.m.

Failed foreign policy that pissed many people off helps create this mess. Foreign govt coups, interventions: purely for pursuing interests in natural resources, and/or changing ideology. I don’t see countries like Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, or New Zealand getting terrorsit attacks. To “them” and the military industrial complex, this is job security. War on terrorism is such an open-ended perpetual war. But to the People who have to go thru airport maze, hearing repeated color-coded fear levels, and now losing a sense of privacy, this is so unfair. The very govt that supposed to serve us, enslaves us.

Mr Monsanto

Sep. 8, 2013, 1:32 a.m.

Dear ConcernedCitizens:
The DNA in cornflakes and high-fructose corn-syrup hacks your brain. We control your thoughts. We control the NSA, they do what we say. Resistance is Futile!

Nabeel Zabak

Sep. 8, 2013, 9:09 a.m.

There will be individuals who have healthy questions, reasonable questions, and legitimate questions that their government must answe.  Answers will always be condescending, misleading and incomplete.

Then you have individuals who will for the must part blindly and with out question follow their dictators voice.  That has to do with braun and behavior.  Many research articles about the brain types of individuals who grow up to be democrats, ones who see many shades of gray and those the must part who grow up to become Republicans, they trend to see thongs in black and white. What I do not understand, how willing Republicans are to abdicate control to their government, even when the possibility of said government is one half step from a police state.

Leo Cotnoir

Sep. 8, 2013, 1:46 p.m.

@Bradford,

Besides the fact that you are a cowardly anonymous stalker, you are also wrong about nearly everything you post.

I called you “little boy” because no sentient adult calls anyone “dude.”

You did claim that 9/11 was an inside job.

My guess is that you are a deranged Ron Paulbot.

Mark Ganter

Sep. 8, 2013, 2:36 p.m.

@wag the dog Seems to me you hit the nail squarely on the head. Right on…

Donald W.

Sep. 8, 2013, 3:10 p.m.

Snowden is plain and simple a double agent for the United States Government. Why else run to a communist country and complain about our Freedom being undermine. You do not go to the world worst human rights violators to complain about human rights violations. His second try was the second most wanted agency which the U.S. Government wanted to infiltrate and that is being wikileaks.

Don

Sep. 8, 2013, 3:26 p.m.

To the other ron,
  I complain over 10 years ago about an FBI program which I found on my microsoft system operating system. It was in the open and plain as could be for anyone who dug into their system operating files to see. I copy and sent this file to the FBI website with the complaint of their spyware; so basically, Snowden has so far not reveal any real intelligence but only what is already known by anyone who has the authority to make changes or what many articles has already done written by savvy techs. What is his next latest infiltration technique going to be, “we are being watched by our new LCD Television. Sorry Mr. Snowden, that has also been reveal to the American public several years ago. Best of luck to your double agent life.

Donald W.

Sep. 8, 2013, 3:52 p.m.

And since I am on a rampant raging madness. I tell you someone else who probably believes that Mr. Snowden is a double-agent and that is the only one who spoke the truth about the Little Rock , Arkansas chemical war-agents being stock-piled by the U.S. Government when that scientist was kidnap and torture and found in the Garbage dump. And the same military chemical dump shortly there after being infiltrated and chemicals release into the River and air stream. Fortunately, only some dead birds drop out of the sky into an elemetary school in Louisiana. Well that man is Mr. Putin who released an intelligence report to the American public. It is a sad government which claims to be all about freedom and openness that hides such information from the American public. Well perhaps Mr. Putin will not use the George “the torturer” Bush techniques to extract information from Mr. Snowden. May Saint Mary his mother bless him (that is Mr. Putin and not Mr. Snowden).

Bradford

Sep. 8, 2013, 6:39 p.m.

Leo Cotnoir

Today, 1:46 p.m.

@Bradford,

Besides the fact that you are a cowardly anonymous stalker, you are also wrong about nearly everything you post.

I called you “little boy” because no sentient adult calls anyone “dude.”

You did claim that 9/11 was an inside job.

My guess is that you are a deranged Ron Paulbot.
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HEY, FOLKS!...here’s how FedGov stooges, such as “Leo Cotnoir”,  try to manipulate us…
1. I simply “google.com/images” “Leo Cotnoir”, and glanced at the first few responses, which I mentioned above, just to *TEST* Mr. “Leo Cotnoir”...He could have easily done the same for me, as I DID give him my full, real name…journalists call that “due diligence”, in “fact checking”, but Mr. Cotnoir calls it “cowardly”, and “stalking”...
1.A.: Mr. Cotnoir simply says that I’m “wrong about everything…”, but he CITES NOTHING SPECIFIC, that I have written, nor even attempts to debate, refute, cite alternative facts, sources, etc…
2. My calling him “dude” came AFTER he called me little boy…
(...if I really DID call him “dude” first, it was an simply a casual lapse into real-speak…whatever, dude…*grin*.... Apparently, Mr. Cotnoir insults as easily as an insecure High School boy on his first date with the Head Cheerleader…)...
3. I NEVER used “inside job” to refer to 9/11, nor suggested that typical FedGov red herring-speak…
The OFFICIAL FedGov 9/11 Report *IS* a white-wash, and cover-up, with NO mention of Building 7, etc…and NO mention of where the “debris” from Shanksville, PA was forensically analyzed, or remains identified…(...it wasn’t, and THEY weren’t…*WHY*...???...)...
4. “Deranged Ron Paulbot”...???...LOL…LOL…LOL…ROTFLMFAO…

Mr. Leo Cotnoir, you got NOTHING, dude…nothing at all…
Surrender-monkeys like you, sleep peacefully in your beds at night
CONUS, because rough men like me, stand ready to deploy, DO deploy, engage the enemy, and defeat them in combat which is all-at-once physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, and psychological…
America, Her People, and Her Constitution, have NO enemies, Foreign -OR- Domestic, which *WE* will not DEFEAT, so that you can continue to sleep your life away, Mr. Cotnoir…
Whaddya got to say to THAT, kiddo…???...

Leo Cotnoir

Sep. 8, 2013, 7:05 p.m.

Thank you, Bradford, for proving that you are a raving lunatic.

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