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Graphing the Great Gun Debate

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John

Feb. 19, 2013, 11:35 a.m.

Carolyn, with respect to your idea that it’s paranoid to want laws that allow the citizens to protect themselves from the government, what do you think about the rest of the Bill of Rights?  Do you think that censorship is fine, because you don’t remember it happening?  What about the military claiming your home as barracks, since that hasn’t happened in centuries?  Protection from incriminating yourself?  Warrantless search and seizure?

The Bill of Rights is (mostly) a list of principles to prevent the government from abusing the people.  It’s not a list of guidelines that should be thrown out the window because It Could Never Happen Here(TM).  Remember, after all, that it DID happen here.  That’s why we have a country.

Moving outside of that, look at how many other people die every day.  Guns are a tiny, tiny fraction of the tools used, especially when we’re talking about young children.  Are you also advocating banning cars, knives, windows, nutrition, water, carbon monoxide, and hands?  Because that list would save many more children.  Do we not care about the dozens of kids Tim McVeigh killed because he made his own explosives?

Wouldn’t it be smarter to just stop/fix the bad people long before their tool of choice ever became an issue?  Or is it somehow OK for people to die, as long as they weren’t shot?

And again, it should be very telling that never once were Dorner’s guns mentioned in his case.  When it’s really life or death, the weapon is irrelevant.  It’s the fact that someone is willing to kill that’s important and what needs to be stopped.

carolyn

Feb. 19, 2013, 12:45 p.m.

John: In our “sacred” constitution, slavery is referred to twice: One is the 3/5ths compromise stating that every 5 slaves counted as 3 people. The other sates that if people held to service or labor in one state escape, they must not be freed by the laws of another state.

It seems, through the amendment process, we’ve made ourselves a more civilized and inclusive people.

We have a country due to many reasons other than the yoke England placed around our necks, but a lesson in American history isn’t the venue here. Anyone with Native American ancestry (as I have) shares a different understanding of our history than those who don’t.

Yes, “it” could happen here. We have a government which, so far, seems to respond somewhat to the will of the majority. An intelligent, well informed majority is required to actually fix what’s broken in our system - through the vote.

Quote from NRA president Karl Frederick in 1934: “I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I seldom carry one. ... I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses” The NRA, especially in recent years, seems to have veered sharply from that position. But corporate interests have a tendency to sway opinions.

Providing safety for consumers and users has been a long effort. We haven’t, of course, banned cars, but we’ve made them safer. Ralph Nader was ridiculed at first, but now an emphasis on car safety has been fully integrated into the automobile industry. Fatalities, as a result, have sharply decreased. We require car licenses, following rules of the road, emissions tests, seat belts, etc.

Please note: Cars, carbon monoxide, windows, nutrition ... haven’t been banned for obvious reasons. But we’ve taken measures to make them safer. Obviously we can’t prevent all accidents, but we can help reduce them. Too bad the GOP still won’t approve appointing the head of the new Consumer Protection Agency. They want it gutted first.

Same goes for those of us who want to live in a safer environment by regulating guns and their owners.

And yes, I believe anyone who disregards the ugly death toll due to gun violence in this country in order to preserve their unfettered rights to easily access these weapons are paranoid and without conscience.

John Smith

Feb. 19, 2013, 6:58 p.m.

John:

From 2010 data used by the CDC they claim there was 16,259 homicides in the United Sates….11,078 were from firearms.

I didn’t want to believe it, but its kind of undeniable that guns are the main tool used.

It leads me to wonder if gun control (that actually was trying to reduce gun violence - not the bs proposals that are floating around now) would decrease the total number of homicides in our country?

Or would people just find other tools?

Comparing our country’s crime rate with other places such as the UK, Australia, Japan, etc…shows how violent we are. Why is this???

One thought is that we aren’t very united as people…we don’t seem to have a centralized culture that we are all proud of (Like the Japanese)...we are “the melting pot” and have so much diversity, but seem to be very competitive against each other. When it comes to conflict,  we resort to killing each other as means of “winning” instead of trying to “solve” the conflict far to often by the numbers. (In personal experience though, I have never been in a conflict were either party would raise the stakes to a life or death level).


I will do research as to where the concentration of gun related homicides take place. I don’t live in a rich area, but I don’t feel like I live in a dangerous environment. Im not afraid of getting shot anywhere I go…but my gun goes with me everywhere (Id rather have one and not need it, then need it and not have it).

I don’t believe banning semi-autos, or a certain capacity magazine, or increasing background checks will have much of an impact on reducing gun crime. I’ve posted some of my ideas that I think would help more earlier in these comments.

Clark Baker

Feb. 19, 2013, 7:12 p.m.

The CDC routinely uses exaggerated estimates and social marketing to push political agendas.  Here are just two examples:

http://www.omsj.org/corruption/insanity-inc-how-the-cdc-disclaims-itself-from-itself

http://www.omsj.org/corruption/pertussis-epidemic-scam-threatens-children

Using your logic, we should outlaw cars because they are often the cause of traffic collisions.  Get rid of cars - no more collisions!  (And if the idea saves but ONE LIFE, wouldn’t it be worthwhile?)  Before you decide to lop off the 2nd Amendment, why not get rid of the 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th?  After all, only a paranoid person wouldn’t trust the government, right???

Albert M Micozzi

Feb. 19, 2013, 8:55 p.m.

Hi John, why are we hung up on gun homicide? If someone wants to kill someone or themselves they will find a way. Guns if removed from society it will cause high violent crime rates. Criminals will run largely unchecked in slum and poor areas of Detroit, Chicago, Boston, Philly and Los Angeles. How many violent crimes as well as murders have been stopped or avoided because someone had a gun or the fear someone may have a gun? How many road rage situations were defused because someone being bullied pretended to have a gun under their seat? How many bar fights never started because someone knew there was a gun in the crowd or behind the bar. The mere fact that criminals will not have to consider their victim may have a gun will be a huge advantage to the bad guys. What put the school bullies’ in place? It took a bat or a number of good guys together.
Take guns away from good people living in very poor areas and home invasion of the elderly will infest the area. Old people will live in fear. Opportunists must fear the power of good people with a gun. Take guns away and gangs with knives will come back. You will see organized crime grow as well. A polite armed society is the defenseless people’s friend. Just 10 percent of permitted people owning guns are all that is needed to have a balance of power. Don’t wave it around just put it in your pocket and walk like you don’t fear for anything. They will pick it up. They are turned to that message.
The Only way removing guns from the general public could work is to be absolutely sure criminals can’t get or make one. Good luck with that!

pgillenw

Feb. 19, 2013, 9:21 p.m.

I think the national conversation around gun control is useless. The liberals will by and large support the conservatives by and large will oppose. Gun control will not in and off itself stop gun violence any more than laws to prevent drunk driving or violence against women and children. The key to me is population control. But that will not happen because people believe they have a right to bring children in to this mostly sick world. Is this different in that those who bring kids in to the world and they turn in to killing machines and those of us who feel we must try and protect ourselves from those predatory, sick, dysfunctional killing machines.

Folks I think it comes down to personal responsibility. We as a society place little value on personal responsibility instead opting to have a nanny state.

Logan

Feb. 19, 2013, 9:31 p.m.

@PG, John and Albert

Go back to the links I posted. They specifically give hard facts out of Harvard denying the effectiveness of gun control as it relates to making a more peaceful and safe society.

The post was held for moderation due to the links and so posted late. It is an intriguing study that refutes much of what the references posit in the original story, and I believe it is remiss of ProPublica to leave that Harvard study off, as it is a nice counterbalance to the obviously one sided selection offered.

John Smith

Feb. 19, 2013, 11:59 p.m.

Albert:

I was looking for overall crime rate in other country’s of comparable advancement as our own, and noticed ours is significantly higher. So I focused on homicide, in my eyes this is the worse crime one can commit. Again we are significantly higher then comparable countries, and the main tool used to commit it, is a gun. Several of the other countries that have much lower homicide rates than the US have stricter gun laws….It just makes me wonder…is it lower because they don’t have easy access to guns, OR is it in the US more people choose to jump to killing someone because we don’t care about each other as much as other country’s care about their fellow country men/women?

I do agree with you that law abiding citizens should have guns, and criminals being unsure of who has one is a great deterrent of crime.

I want to have the biggest advantage over any criminal, so preventing them from having guns, and ideally preventing the creation of a criminal in the first place is what im looking for.

pgillenw:

I agree with you so much! I think considering the state of the world is such a great question to begin with when you even start to think of forcing another human to be in this world. (I think this is a wonderful life and I am eternally grateful for it because I have been dealt an amazing deck so far - starting with great parents, I know this is not the case for everyone though).


-Monitor past and current criminals better, reduce their rights, and have something like random quarterly searches of their residence and vehicles for guns, maybe even financial monitoring.

-Enforce current guns laws to the extreme, put the needed money into the correct places and make examples out of all offenders, zero tolerance.

-Parental liability of their child until that child reaches a certain age (40-50?). With proportionally reduced liability as an offspring gets closer to the determined age. Meaning parents are partially charged along side their offspring if they commit a crime. (This could possibly help our society in more ways than one)

-Strong promotion of peaceful problem solving/conflict resolution skills in schools along with more prominent gun awareness programs to prevent accidents. (I remember D.A.R.E. in elementary school, slightly touched on guns, main focus on drugs)


Logan:

Im familiar with the Kates and Mauser Harvard study. It is great support for an armed society for many reasons. No wonder it isn’t brought up often. I’ve yet to come across anyone to dispute it intelligently.

Its interesting you made the requests for compiled info, I agree the study would have been nice to include, and I also think its sad to see the one sided information published here.

Alan Byfield

Feb. 20, 2013, 6:17 a.m.

@ Albert Micozzi
“Australia did away with guns for the general population, they want them back.”

Never heard of this at all. Where did you get this information from?

Murders using a firearm have dropped to an all-time low of 13 per cent in Australia. Most of them are domestics. Not from someone waltzing into your house out to get you. Get off the drugs.

If you are a farmer, you can still own a high powered firearm, not a terminator style weapon but it will do the job none the less.

“Hitler once said, if you want to conquer a nation, 1st disarm it’s people! “

Ah I see, you are a nutter. Carry on!

carolyn

Feb. 20, 2013, 11:53 a.m.

Logan: Of COURSE gun control measures won’t make a more peaceful society. What gun control measures accomplish is to make a society less prone to death by gun violence. Gun control measures are simply a triage approach which doesn’t address ouf underlying problems.

John Smith has tinkered with that concept a bit by raising the possibility that people in the US choose to kill each other off more frequently because we don’t care about each other as much as those in other less gun violent prone countries. Bingo!

Gun control measures won’t make a dent in our reality of living in a country with endemic racial, regional, economic disparity - accompanied by a polarized political climate. Only when the majority of us believe we have equal access to what this country offers, and believe everyone else here should also have the same access, can we think of ourselves as “us” and “we” instead of “them”.

Clark Baker

Feb. 20, 2013, 1:42 p.m.

For those who think that abridging our 2nds Amendment rights is a good idea, why stop there?  Wouldn’t our nation be better if we suspended the first ten amendments?  If we no longer need guns to protect us from our benevolent gov’t leaders, do we really need the 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th?  This about the public good -  If a suspension of the 4th and 6th Amendments will save the life of one child, wouldn’t it be worthwhile too?  If not, why?

David

Feb. 20, 2013, 3:12 p.m.

I have a right to own a gun.

Would I willing give up that right, If I knew that by doing so, it would save the life of just one child? 

This is the question I keep asking myself.

All the data from developed countries who have banned hand guns and assault style rifles have seen dramatic reduction in deaths caused by guns. (Homicide, Suicide, & Accidental Death).  Let us be specific.  The issue is not ‘violence’ et al, it is death by gun. 

This is a perfect question of logical ethics.  Premise:  I can do a particular thing (own a gun).  If I maintain my right to do that thing, others will suffer.  (This is proven.)  By maintaining my right to do that thing, even though I am not a direct agent, I am indirectly responsible for the suffering of others.  Ergo, by maintaining my right to own a gun, I also accept my personal responsibility for the inevitable deaths that will result due to my maintenance of that right.

It is to these children then, that I must justify my right.

Charlotte Bacon, 6
Daniel Barden, 7
Olivia Engel, 6
Josephine Gay, 7
Ana Marquez-Greene, 6
Dylan Hockley, 6
Madeline Hsu, 6
Catherine Hubbard, 6
Chase Kowalski, 7
Jesse Lewis, 6
James Mattioli, 6
Grace McDonnell, 7
Emilie Parker, 6
Jack Pinto, 6
Noah Pozner, 6
Caroline Previdi, 6
Jessica Rekos, 6
Avielle Richman, 6
Benjamin Wheeler, 6
Allison Wyatt, 6

And the hundreds of other children and young adults slain every year by guns.  And to their parents.

A nation of armed vigilantes is absolutely no proof against tyranny, and no proof against murder. These claims are completely without proof. Look to the history, not the myth, of the American West, and you will see this for truth.

Peter Boyle

Feb. 20, 2013, 4:08 p.m.

Gun Control is as problematical for the Dems as Abortion is for the Republicans.  The reason is that the PEOPLE have already decided the issue and the Congress Critters need to catch up. 

If it is a matter of saving lives, limit vehicles to a 70 mph speed at the factory, ban all smoking materials, or ban high frutose corn syrup from all our foods.  If it is a matter of limiting gun crime, the stats show that the highest rates of gun use in crime are in the very places where the strictest gun laws already exist. 

Let’s be frank, the Gun Control issue is as much ‘fundamentalist’ driven on the left as Abortion is on the right.  Those ‘fundamentalists’ hurt both parties, and waste both time and resources on issues that the public already accept as settled.  We (Americans) are guaranteed the right to “keep and bear arms” by the US Constitution, and trying to limit that right is never going to be accepted by the majority of people.  Same with abortion, the people have already decided that it is something they can live with.  Both issues only stir up division in America for no good reason other than rallying the ‘fundamental base’ of the party.

With recent polls showing that a colonoscopy is more popular than Congress, one would think the Congress Critters could find something more productive to do; like the Fiscal Cliff, the Debt Limit, all the money in elections, corporate tax cheats/avoiders, and maybe JOBS.

When we wonder why Americans are laughed at overseas, one only has to look at the #1 power in the world being held hostage to a dysfunctional congress.

MMS Dave

Feb. 20, 2013, 9:56 p.m.

I find it amusing that people use other countries as examples. Australia For instance, gun deaths went down but violent crimes went up in their larger cities. Immigration is HIGHLY regulated. You don’t just move to Australia, you have to have something of value to offer and if there is someone, say a child of yours that has a handicap in your family, forget it!
Totally different culture there.
Brazil’s deaths due to firearms is 400 times the rate of the US, but civilians are not allowed self loading firearms, limited to 2 rifles, 2 shot guns, and 2 revolvers per household. May purchase no more than one firearm per year. Only 1 in 100 households own firearms.
Totally different culture there.
STOP comparing apples to oranges. We are not they, they are not we!

Albert M Micozzi

Feb. 20, 2013, 10:06 p.m.

Correction, Australia bought guns back but it was mandatory unless you could prove lawful use. This effectively disarmed the elderly who are retired and do not hunt as well as other defenseless groups. Same darn thing for all intent and purpose.

Look I worked in the streets of Boston for 11 years. I had a number of life threatening encounters. Pretending I had a gun saved me every time. If any of you decide to live on Howard st., Creston st. or Wendover st. I would give you 2 months and you will be buying a gun for self-defense. If it was unlawful you will be going to the black-market to get one. Why would you be willing to leave good lower income people defenseless in that environment? That is shameful. Why would you make Good people criminals because they need to defend themselves? ? Where is your good sense? Alcohol controls didn’t work, Marijuana controls did not work, and cocaine controls did not work. What makes any of you think Gun control is going to stop criminals from get them or making them or selling them?
Look out what you ask for you may get it!
When you do you will be screaming for help! Don’t be so naive. Bill Mayer once said the general public in the states are stupid! They’re not stupid they are naive and have not personally experience anything to reference from.
Look a very successful man I knew was once asked how is it that you came to America with nothing and became so successful. His answer was perfectly true of human nature. He said if you live in the old country and you have no shoes on your feet, your brother crosses the German line to beg for food so you can survive. Then he disappears for 3 days and you bear the guilt of his sacrifice for you. When you come to this country there is not an F—K—- thing you can achieve.
That said, again some of us are naive, spoiled, self-centered people!! If you ask me that is dangerous in itself! I don’t want those people telling I can’t have a gun.

Ask the poor immigrant in this country that dealt with government and gang tranny, if guns should be taken from the public. They will cringe. They are not naive. Listen to their stories. America wake up before it too late!

markus

Feb. 21, 2013, 2:51 p.m.

it’s understandable less guns less gun issues. Take a look at total crime increase. Really a smart choice there! We have to think much deeper. Less guns more energy for rapist and crooks generally.

albert m

Feb. 21, 2013, 9:06 p.m.

Carolyn, Further back in the conversation you stated…
“John: In our “sacred” constitution, slavery is referred to twice:…”

Carolyn, it sounds like you despise the Constitution! please correct me if I am wrong.
You may or may not have some deep root issue that makes you feel that way so I am not going to preach to you.
All I would like to say is… Good people died so we could have that Constitution. It was born out of suffering and Tyranny of innocent people. The pain of those people taught them a very costly lesson, which they so thoughtfully passed on to us.
The Constitution should be respected for those reasons. Please don’t forget we are free to voice ourselves and learn from our mistakes without imprisonment and tyranny all because of our Yes, Our “Scared Constitution.”
Please rethink your position and please be who you are after you rethink it. That is what makes us great in this country. GOD Bless The United States of America!
May God bless us all! That includes you Carolyn. May God bless you! I mean that, it is not sarcasm. You and your views make us think. Iron sharpens iron. Hopefully if either one of us find ourselves wrong in one point or another, we can admit it to ourselves and adjust our thinking for the better of us all..

carolyn

Feb. 21, 2013, 10:26 p.m.

John: How silly to conclude I “despise” the constitution simply because I used the word “sacred” to efficiently convey the absolutist thoughts some people hold that the words in it are perfect and inalterable (as is the text in the bible often regarded by absolutists).

There are 18 references in the bible that prescribe stoning as a punishment for various crimes. For example: Deuteronomy 22:12-29 “If there is a betrothed virgin, and a man meets her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones”.

As I previously stated, we’ve gotten beyond slavery as referenced in our constitution (in which our founders thoughtfully provided us the ability to provide amendments). I’ll add the apparent reality that in following the commandments of the bible, Christians have moved beyond stoning punishments along with their rationales (excluding any possible cults out there).

Since you express strong religious convictions, I’m going to guess Christian. So I’ll now ask you, in regards to the efforts of so many of us to try to curb the gun carnage in our country, “What would Jesus do”? (Jesus: The Prince of Peace).

I definitely will not “re-think” my position. As of today (2/21/13), the number of gun deaths following Sandy Hook exceeded 2030. That’s a lot of senseless deaths; and I really can’t fathom the minds of those who don’t think those deaths matter, but their self-described “inalterable rights” do. “Don’t give an inch” really equates to “Don’t Give a Damn”. Very un-Christian position in my view.

carolyn

Feb. 21, 2013, 10:29 p.m.

My previous post should have been directed to “albert m” not “John”

Albert M

Feb. 22, 2013, 4:44 a.m.

Carolyn: Jesus was the Son of God he was on a protected mission to sacrifice himself for the souls of Man. Jesus would not carry a gun but neither did he have to. He walked with peace in his heart and inner confidence that cannot be duplicated by the average man. Only until the final hours did Jesus ask “Father why have you forsaken me”? The Father did not forsake Jesus, he allowed Him to save the soul of man. Later, as He passed, Jesus said, “It is done!’  (Mission accomplished)No Great Love is there, to lay down your Life for another. If we were all willing to do that, Guns would not be needed except for hunting and performance shooting.
Carolyn, When God is for you who can be against you? Given this, why would Jesus have to defend himself? Only if he gave into the temptations of the Evil one would He have fear. He knew He had a divine mission.
Now, how many people have been falsely accused to serve an evil purpose? How many more would be falsely accused if the fear of quick reprisal was not a fear of the men with evil intent. We should emulate Jesus whenever possible but to suggest we do not have to protect ourselves from evil is again NAÏVE at best. You seem educated, I wish I were better educated, but wise does not come with education alone. Please don’t be offended but you seem to be young in years. Unfortunately, age alone does not assure wisdom! If you were a truly compassionate person,  that understood the world’s ways, you would not leave defenseless people vulnerable to the evil, exploitive intent of some men. Carolyn have you ever been raped or stocked? My daughter was stocked by an ex one time prom date. It was crazy and the police said they are not able to do much because nothing has happen yet. Well when it happens it is too late and her life, if she survived, would have been traumatized. What stopped that stocking was a peaceful, legally armed visit to his house. No verbal threat was made just a visit without fear because of being armed. Fear in his heart because he knew he was threading in the wrong direction turned the situation around instantly. You see, fear even for evil people is the biggest motivator. You should wish someone would make such a visit for you if you were in that situation.
I personally have never had to take my weapon out of my pocket. The pocket bulge and the fact I ask for protection by the Blood and Passion of Jesus Christ seem to be enough. I have no record, I love people. I am blessed by the ability to see the the good in even bad people but I am guarded, maybe because of my 11 years working for the city on the streets of Boston. Carolyn, I am not taking the time to write and put myself out there for your sake only.  I am a democrate and was a deligate for three years because the working class of this country needs representation but the right to bear arms is not something I can in good conscience can not allow to be enfringed upon.  If I was told you can not be a delegate if you don’t give up this stand, I would be an independent. Oh, by the way I feel equally as strong about abortion except under extreme circumstances. The defenceless killing of an innocent, God given Life, reduces Human dignity. Needless abortion reduces humans to the level of compassionless animals.  Good Women are tramatized for life with guilt and regret and we are not blessed with the life of another in Christ. If we truly want to save lives we can save millions not hundreds. As always, Be blessed!

carolyn

Feb. 22, 2013, 10:54 a.m.

Albert M: A really, really, long and rambling post from you which seems to boil down to your unfounded assumption (paranoia?) that the gun control measures we advocates want to put in place will lead to the removal of all guns from registered, responsible gun owners. Since that isn’t the case, and you can’t seem to accept that reality, our discussion isn’t based on rational thought. I do wish you people lining up with the NRA “don’t give an inch” camp weren’t so paranoid and actually gave a damn about the thousands of victims; but you insist your “rights” to continue acquiring weapons wherever, whenever, however you want trump the rights of the rest of us to be made safer from the resulting gun violence.

Albert M

Feb. 22, 2013, 2:48 p.m.

Carolyn: You’re the one that bought Jesus into it, a desperate move that back fired on you because you don’t follow the Christian way. I doubt you know Jesus personally. If you did you would not ask such a question as a tool to get your way. You thought you saw an opportunity to win an argument so you used Him and His Life Lessons ineffectively. You’re the one who stoops to negatively and seemingly sarcastic referrals to the Constitution as “Our Sacred Constitution” defiling the sacrifices, efforts and lessons of our forefathers. You’re not a Patriot either!  Using children’s lives as an argument for Gun control while MILLIONS of children are murdered in the name of woman’s right to choose death is just another example of the extent you will go to in order to win an argument. Despicable!  I doubt you’re compassionate either. Children’s right to live can be much more effectively used as an argument against abortion than a reason to ignore all the good that guns do in good people’s hands as self-defense tools. Find a way to punish the bad people and not infringe on good people’s rights. Personally I don’t own a 223 semi-automatic rifle but the right to own one should not be infringed upon mainly because of illocical people like you who want to influence our laws, take away our rights and leave us defenseless against Tyranny. Solve the Root cause of the problem; punish the Bad guys and the people that are responsible for allowing sick people to get access to their guns. Punish them more severely and effectively not the good guys. Your arguments are desperate and illogical. You can write better than I but that doesn’t make you Right! You have grasped at any straw you can find. You should look for the truth 1st instead of blindly trying to justify the infringement on our rights given in the again, Yes, the Scared Constitution. You will be able to present a better argument if you focused on the truth and root cause. Dispite what you think, because of some Sick and Bad people, Guns are not the root cause. The bad and sick people along with the irresponsible gun own are the issue. Go after them!

Then attacking me because I am not as well written as you is typical of your style. In my arguments up until now, I have given you respect but it is now obvious you have not earned any! My responses to you are finished you do not have the capacity to argue respectfully or for that matter logically so you deserve this response but will get no others from me.

AMM

Feb. 23, 2013, 9:50 a.m.

I keep seeing “paranoia” as a way of discrediting the pro gun movement.
From my view, those people need to understand the reasons the Constitution was written. I am wondering if they think the constitution was written by paranoid people? Maybe they had a good reason? I know a few police officers that have been around 30 years. They tell me conditions are such that upcomoing abuse of the people is not far fetched.
They train for up risings because the possiblity of a police state is increasing not decreasing. Socialism is on the rise as well. Should there be a discussion about eliminating term limits for our Commander and Chief, that would not be a very good sign of things to come. Don’t be paranoid but be aware, watchful and ready to fight for you freedoms. A trained gun owner in every house hold is definitely a concern to abusers of any kind.
As was once said, From my cold dead hands!
Stay safe people!

carolyn

Feb. 23, 2013, 12:35 p.m.

As of today, 02/23/2013, 2189 or more gun deaths have taken place in this country since Newtown (12/14/2013).

Victims have names. Below are the names of 38 children who have been shot to death since 12/14/2013: 

Ryder Rozier;Guthrie, OK; 12/15/2012; Age: 3
Aydan Perea; Kansas City, MO; 12/17/2012; Age: 4
Brennan Nowell; Harrison, TN; 12/20/2012; Age: 2
Alfreddie Gipson; Memphis, TN; 12/25/2012; Age: 10
Sincere Tymere Smith; Conway, SC; 12/25/2012; Age: 2
Cade Franklin Curry; Paris, TX; 12/28/2012; Age: 12
Easton Brueger; Bennettsville, SC; 12/30/2012; Age: 8
Aaliyah Destiny Boyer; Elkton, MD; 12/31/2012; Age: 10
Jonah Mendoza; Ocala, FL; 1/4/2013; Age: 1
Kevin Hannah; Tollhouse, CA; 1/4/2013; Age: 10
William Parris; Pleasant Valley, AL; 1/8/2013; Age: 12
Jacob Ball; Cambridge, OH; 1/9/2013; Age: 5
Steven Curtis; Breckenridge, MO; 1/12/2013; Age: 12
Alexandra Brown; Henry County, OH; 1/14/2013; Age: 10
Taylor Jade Cornett; Hazard, KY; 1/16/2013; Age: 12
Zephania Griego; South Valley, NM; 1/19/2013; Age: 9
Angelina Griego; South Valley, NM; 1/19/2013; Age: 2
Jael Griego; South Valley, NM; 1/19/2013; Age: 5
Nevaeh Benson; Cleveland, OH; 1/19/2013; Age: 6
Maximillian Walters; Boulder City, NV; 1/21/2013; Age: 5
Travin Varise; Baton Rouge, LA; 1/21/2013; Age: 2
Trinity Ross; Kansas City, MO; 1/22/2013; Age: 4
Jamarcus Allen; Akron, OH; 1/23/2013; Age: 4
Sincere Smith; Conway, SC; 1/25/2013; Age: 2
Tmorej Smith; Greenville, SC; 2/1/2013; Age: 3
Austin Hughes; Erwin, TN; 2/2/2013; Age: 11
Mario Zavala; Boynton Beach, FL; 2/2/2013; Age: 11
Eduardo Zavala; Boynton Beach, FL; 2/2/2013; Age: 12
Whitney Hughes; Erwin, TN; 2/2/2013; Age: 12
Erick Perez; Denver, CO; 2/6/2013; Age: 2
Nevaeh Morales; Denver, CO; 2/6/2013; Age: 6
Braydion Scott Matlock; Paducah, KY; 2/9/2013; Age: 3
Devin Aryal; Oakdale, MN; 2/11/2013; Age: 9
Joshua Johnson; Memphis, TN; 2/11/2013; Age: 4
Courie Cox; Bazine, KS; 2/15/2013; Age: 12
Stefan Zuniga; Miami, FL; 2/20/2013; Age: 11
John O’Brien; Garland, TX; 2/20/2013; Age: 3

amm

Feb. 23, 2013, 1:13 p.m.

Guns don’t kill, people kill! Do you have numbers on how many deaths by every means have been avoided since newtown because of Guns?
If that doesn’t matter to you then you don’t care about saving lives you care about your agenda!

Cheryl

Feb. 23, 2013, 1:50 p.m.

AMM is my husband and I would like to add, I don’t think that stats on avioded deaths due to guns can be compiled every easily. By their nature, many are not reported. The media in this country is predominately Liberal and they have no interest in the truth as in applies to this subject. This can be true of the far Right as well! I would not be surprised if the numbers of lives saved, since Newton Conn. dewarfs the deaths by guns during the same time. This is not to mention the deaths avoided by any other method, avoided rapes, domestic abuses and other violent crimes. Death is horrible, life after rape can be a burden for an entire life time. I always liked the idea of castration after two convictions of violent rape. That will stop the bastards.

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