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When I asked for help defining “Downstate” Illinois a few weeks ago, it was more than mere curiosity; I was asking for advice. I wanted to understand how people felt about the term and I wanted their advice to inform the words our newsroom uses in our reporting throughout the state.

You responded. About 250 people — and counting — reached out. It has been a fascinating conversation about regionalism, a need for specificity and the feeling of being “othered.” Now, I want to share with you some of those responses, what I’ve learned, and how I’ll incorporate this feedback into our newsroom.

Let’s start with an email from Tim Moran, an attorney who lives in a northwest suburb of Chicago:

After WWII, as people from Chicago moved outside Cook County, “Downstate” became everything outside Cook, DuPage, Lake, McHenry, Will and Kane counties. Now, as the suburbs have moved out, Kendall County has changed from “Downstate” to Chicago-area.

According to Tim’s definition, over time, Cook County’s municipal boundaries became less relevant to the feeling of Cook County, or “Chicagoland.” It shows that boundaries, while still necessary for politics and planning, can evolve and are maybe even better described without a map at all.

For example, Tim suggests the best definition of “Downstate” would be where people stop getting the Chicago TV stations. Other responses echo his sentiment:

Downstate Illinois is the point where baseball fans support the Cardinals rather than the Cubs or White Sox.

-Betsy, Lake County

@MisterJayEm’s insight about transit brings up the idea of access. If you were to draw a line that connects the final stops of each Metra line outside of Chicago, it would show the boundary of a place that is reasonably accessible by public transportation. That same boundary could also be considered the outskirts of “Chicagoland,” the line between what’s outside and inside.

Map courtesy of Metra/Overlay added by ProPublica Illinois

Maybe, the more access you have to a place, the further away whatever is not that place can feel. And this is significant. Because there are entire industries built on the concept of “away,” as one reader who lives in DeKalb reminds us:

In the late ‘70s and early ‘80s, I worked at the State Journal-Register in Springfield, smack in the middle of downstate. Big Jim Thompson was the governor and the state was spending a lot of money on tourism. The slogan was, “Just outside Chicago, there’s a place called Illinois.” It really fit, and I loved the way it played to the “downstate” frame of mind because that’s what “downstate” is, less geography than an idea.

-Liz Denius

The Illinois Office of Tourism tweeted me to say the “Just outside Chicago” slogan wasn’t an official state campaign, and that their current campaign “celebrates all of the amazing experiences throughout the state.” But if there was an idea that Illinois could be a separate place for Chicagoans to visit, then what did it mean when Illinoisans stepped into Chicago?

I grew up on a farm near Streator, Illinois. I left my childhood home and moved to Lincoln Park [Chicago] to attend DePaul University. This was where I first heard the term “downstate.”

It was in my Writing for Magazines class. I had written a nonfiction article about the area I grew up in. The professor introduced my piece in workshop and made the remark: “You forget how rural things are downstate.” It was maybe the first time I realized that people in Chicago think of me and the area I grew up in as different. It's a word Chicagoans use to describe someplace other than Chicago. I have never and would never use it to describe where I come from.

-Jack Hughes

Downstate as “other than.” These words matter. And for some people, they can hurt.

I've lived 100 miles south of Chicago for most of my life, and I've never heard anyone who grew up here use the term “Downstate” to describe where we live. “Downstate” will often be interpreted as “the part of Illinois that isn't Chicago and doesn't really count.

-Robert Porter

So maybe where “Downstate,” the place, starts is where “Downstate,” the term, ends. Or maybe “Downstate” is so hard to define because there is no “upstate”? Well ...

What does Chicago say? Let’s bring one Chicagoan into the mix. His name is Peter:

For perspective, I'm a middle-aged, middle-class white guy, worked in nonprofits my whole career. In Chicago, when I think of “downstate,” I have these things in mind:

  • Primarily a sense of “other” that isn't distinct to the Chicago/downstate divide, but is pervasive nevertheless
  • hicks, cornfields, rural, homogeneity (sorry, but it's true)
  • physical separation that leads to dismissing everyone else outside of metro Chicago
  • does NOT include the West of Chicago (“sidestate”) Really, the Quad Cities don't exist.

I’m sure you all have some thoughts on that. And do we now have to define “sidestate”?

But let’s focus on another word in Peter-from-Chicago’s response: “homogeneity.” The reader who told us he’s lived 100 miles south of Chicago for most of his life brought that word up, too:

It's easy to look at all those corn and soybean fields and conclude that "not-Chicago" is very homogeneous. Spend a little time in these communities, and you'll find that isn't really the case. Our towns and small cities have their own histories and their own characters. We deserve better than to be lumped together into a crude and inaccurate term like “Downstate.”

-Robert Porter

Through the window of your car, “not-Chicago” can seem pretty “homogeneous.”

But, guess what? The state of Illinois reflects the demographics of America better than any other state in the country, according to this post from FiveThirtyEight. Meaning: Illinois, as a whole, looks very much like America right now, in terms of distribution of age, race, ethnicity and educational attainment. Sure, Chicago has something to do with that. But it doesn’t carry that entire weight. It may be surprising news if you live in Chicago. And, maybe, less surprising if you live outside of it.

Illinois is a state of multiple regions and using the term “downstate” only reinforces the media’s arrogant and Chicago-centric attitude. It’s time to dump the term and start referring to our regions in the manner that reflects their unique geography, culture, history and self-descriptions.

-Gregory J. Kurth, Arlington Heights, Illinois

Gregory might enjoy knowing that the Belleville News-Democrat (self-described “experts on matters not-Chicago”) made it quite clear to us that the “Downstate” question has been settled — “anything south or west of Chicago and its suburbs” — and that the real question is what differentiates “Southern Illinois” from the rest of the state.

And that question, it turns out, has already been hashed out by The Southern Illinoisan, in Carbondale, last year. (It’s a “point of pride, and at times it is a rallying cry, especially when the region feels slighted by its northern neighbors.”)

And for all of the above, Aaron Camp, who runs the blog Progressive Midwesterner, wrote a very specific glossary of suggested terminology to help us out (thank you, Aaron). Some examples:

  • Chicagoland  —  Cook, DuPage, Kane, Lake, McHenry and Will Counties
  • Chicago area  —  Same as Chicagoland
  • Chicago  —  The City of Chicago (NOTE: Chicago is treated as its own township for the purposes of defining regions that use Cook County townships for definition purposes)
  • Downstate Illinois  —  All parts of Illinois that are not part of Chicagoland

So, where does that leave us at ProPublica Illinois? Should we use the word? I’m going to take a hint and say, no.

I’m also going to take Robert’s advice to “spend a little time in these communities” to understand “their own histories and their own characters.”

I’m serious. I’d love to spend time with you in your community. So, if your local newspaper, historical society, book club or bowling league wants to show me around town, I’d be up for that. Write me.

Just don’t tell me you live “Downstate,” because I’ll have no idea where to find you.

Logan Jaffe is the engagement reporter at ProPublica Illinois. If you’d like to introduce her to where you live, email her at logan.jaffe@propublica.org.